#1 Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von martin67 08.01.2015 14:38

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Some thoughts about retired Lima moulds. In the late 1960's Lima came with a model of an Italian UIC type Y passenger coach, which had been constructed in the back then astonishing scale length of 255mm (1/100). This made the model quite popular amongst railway modellers, since most other manufacturers produced their coaches still in short 24cms. Lima used the mould to produce not only the rather good FS coach, but also some non prototypical models of other European railway companies (i.e. DB, Renfe).



In the early 1980's a clone of this coach suddenly showed up in the yugoslavian Mehanotehnika catalogue, just at a time when Lima finally stopped using this mould. In my believe, the molds were handed over to Mehanotehnika in Izola (from Isola to Izola ).





Yet, this has to be verfied, so any information about moving moulds to other manufacturers are highly appreciated. I personally do not think that Mehanotehnika was producing a simple copy.

Martin

#2 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von buca64 03.05.2021 14:51

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I can only add some photos and explanations regarding this issue. I well remember the countless variations of these models, as well as the two types of bogies (FS and Minden-Deutz). It is interesting a different position of TEMPO label on the bogies.











#3 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von Tartaruga 04.05.2021 07:51

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Hello

The UIC-Y passenger car is a very interesting topic. Whereby it is still not 100% sure whether the molds were taken over by Mehanotehnika. On our trip into the Lima past, we were told by former Lima employees that Lima S.p.a. never handed over molds to contract manufacturers or ever sold them. However, it is possible that Lima did produce train models for Mehanotehnika.
From my point of view I suspect that probably in the last years of Lima (2002-2004) some molds have migrated to get financial means. (UIC-Y passenger cars, Siemens Eurosprinter)


Der UIC-Y Wagen ist ein sehr interessantes Thema. Wobei hier noch immer nicht 100% sicher ist, ob die Formen von Mehanotehnika übernommen wurde. Auf unserer Reise in die Lima Vergangenheit wurde uns von ehemaligen Lima Mitarbeitern gesagt, das Lima S.p.a. nie Formen an Auftragsfertiger übergeben hat oder jemals verkauft wurden. Es ist aber möglich das Lima dazumal für Mehanotehnika Wagen produziert hat.
Aus meiner Sicht habe ich aber die Vermutung das vermutlich in den letzten Jahren von Lima (2002-2004) doch Formen abgewandert sind um an finanzielle mittel zu kommen. (z.B. UIC-Y Personenwagen, Siemens Eurosprinter)


Christoph

#4 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von martin67 04.05.2021 09:02

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I personally think that Lima did not produce for MT. The biggest difference is the plastic, with much higher quality from Lima. The Mehanotehnika models just showed up when the Lima stopped producing these coaches in the early 80's. There are only two possible solutions, Lima sold the moulds or MT copied.

The Eurosprinter is definately not the same. If I remember correctly, Lima made the German version (BR 127) and used it for a "close enough" Iberian (and Greek OSE) series of models. Mehano made the Spanish prototype and used it for a similar "close enough" BR 127. The main difference is the length of the body.

Martin

#5 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von buca64 04.05.2021 09:29

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Martin67 knows very well this thread.
https://www.altemodellbahnen.de/t8240f15...ugwagen-cm.html

Regarding UIC-Y coaches, MT models are without interior, and have synthetic wheels. Nowadays MEHANO models, which are mostly sold in the starter set, are still without interior, but they are equipped with metal wheels, at least.

#6 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von Tartaruga 04.05.2021 09:51

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I compare the bogies with the pictures of Buca64 and try to get two of these Tempo/Mehano cars for a 1-to-1 comparison.
If Lima has possibly produced the cars, it does not necessarily have to be that the same plastic was used.
I didn't know about the Siemens Eurosprinter, it was just a guess, since the Mehano one appeared after Lima's time.

Ich vergleiche mal die Drehgestelle mit den Bildern von Buca64 vrgleichen und versuche mal auch ein zwei von diesen Tempo/Mehanotehnika Wagen zu bekommen für einen 1zu1 vergleich.
Wenn Lima evtl. die Wagen produziert hat, muss es nicht zwingend sein das der gleiche Kunststoff verwendet wurde.
Das von der Siemens Eurosprinter wusste ich nicht, war nur eine Vermutung, da die von Mehano nach der Zeit von Lima auftauchte.

Christoph

#7 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von tsokasn 08.05.2021 06:45

Regarding BR 127 in OSE livery (Greek railways) or in any other livery, Electrotren also produced them.
A friend who compared Lima and Electrotren Br 127s,told me that they are not from the same mold also.
There was a rumour that Electrotren bought Lima's BR 127 molds...
Even in quality terms,Lima were better!!!

By the way,if anyone catch an eye on a Lima BR 127 in OSE livery,bare in mind that I want her badly...
I recently had the opportunity to acquire an Electrotren BR 127 OSE but I simply reject it...
Only Lima for me!!!

#8 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von martin67 08.05.2021 08:29

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Hi Nick,

Electrotren didn't have to buy the moulds, they simply use them, as Electrotren is just a brand in the Hornby empire, like Lima, RR or Arnold. The overall quality of Hornby is very good. All my Hornbys are perfect runners, no matter which brand is written on the box. Just a few weeks ago I ordered an Electrotren RENFE railbus (3-car Ferrobus).

Cheers,

Martin

#9 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von tsokasn 10.05.2021 20:43

Hey Martin,when did Hornby acquired Electrotren?

#10 RE: Lima Italy and Mehanotehnika (YU) [ENG] von martin67 11.05.2021 13:31

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Hi Nick,

must have been 2004, just before they bought the Lima Group. Since then, there's a lot of stuff with Jouef, Lima and Rivarossi origin in their catalogue, mainly Spanish variants of freight and passenger stock.

Cheers,

Martin

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